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How long before United are back in the CL?


A decent performance from Man United tonight saw them lose 3-1 to Bayern Munich, 4-2 on aggregate. So they're now out of the Champions League, and baring other teams slipping up majorly won't reach the top 4 to qualify for next seasons competition. How long before they reach it again? With the rebuilding that needs to take place in the squad, will it be a while?


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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro just realised it was the European Super Cup, which is a bit bigger than Community Shield, though still not massively prestigious.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro an FA Cup/League Cup, the Europa League and the Community Shield would not be considered major success in my opinion.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 3 trophies in 3 years would be classified as successful for United and Chelsea and nearly every club in the world...

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro Like I said, it's success somewhat, all I'm saying is if teams like United, City, Barcelona, Chelsea, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich won those 3 trophies, it wouldn't be counted as a successful period for that club.

So yes, for Atletico, it is a successful period, in comparison to the top teams, it isn't.

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releasethekraken · Liverpool fan   In reply

@jimbo1984 "liverpool had to spend a fortune to get to where they are now".... ???? it's quite the opposite actually, quite a lot of money was spent under dalglish but most of that has hardly got us where we are now. if anything it held us back. i'd say it's more down to good coaching and getting the right players (not necessarily the most expensive one). liverpool have proven that you don't need money to compete with the likes of city and chelsea.

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releasethekraken · Liverpool fan

Could be next season, could be in 5 years time. hard to tell really. people were saying liverpool wouldn't get back into the CL for ages but they've managed it. and besides, who's to say liverpool will cement their place in the CL just cause they get back into it one year? this league is very unpredictable, it's what makes it so great.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 copa = FA cup, hardly minor, EL = pretty good competition and the super cup win was good also. Just because it's not UCL or league doesn't mean it's minor!

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro 3 in the last 5 is somewhat successful I guess, still minor trophies though in comparison to others.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 Wigan and Swansea won 1 trophy. Atletico have won 3 trophies in the last 3 years. That's successful.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro so Wigan and Swansea are successful clubs now? Shaktar? Zenit? Sevilla?

Anyway, like I said, without the cash injection, clubs like that won't have continued success.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 Atletico won the cup and EL in the last 3 years... I would say that's successful.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@jimbo1984 Liverpool are doing quite well without spending loads, arsenal didn't spend lots when they won :S not at all! United get it a lot better than Arsenal and Chelsea do.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro Yes the teams are challenging, but I wouldn't say Atletico have been successful yet. However I think the 2 teams will be flash in the pan, I don't see longevity there, so I guess it should be short term teams can be successful with little money, but long term it's very hard.

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Villa-Rich · Aston Villa fan

I wouldn't say last night was a decent performance for United.

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jimbo1984 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro in England, who were the last team to be successful with out spending money?
Arsenal spent plenty back when they were winning things..
People whinge about you and city for obvious reasons but its irrelevant now..
Just means other teams have to spend a fortune to catch up..
I woudnt say the press love united... The bayern games are probably the first positive press united have had this season.. And that's more because we have been terrible in the league but did ok against bayern..
It just sounds like you don't like united

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@jimbo1984 it is possible to be successful without money - Atletico Madrid + Dortmund are the best examples. I also wouldn't say Liverpool spent that much. It just annoys me how the media wank over United, one team spends a lot = ruining football, man Utd spend a lot = transitional period. Another point to add was that arsenal got loads of negative press for going out to Bayern yet Man Utd are "brave", "spirited", etc!

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jimbo1984 · Man Utd fan

Just think, if wenger had been given, say £100 mill extra last summer to spend On players...
He might have had the squad to challenge Chelsea and city...
Liverpool had to spend a fortune to get where they are now, plus Rodgers has been awesome for them.. But they wouldn't be challenging of they didnt spend big....
Chelsea and city aren't ruining football now by spending loads.. The damage was done years ago..
But if they hadn't done it, then united would still keep running away with the title every year....
You can't win.. All the top teams are guilty of spending more, that's why they are at the top

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jimbo1984 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro the problem now is that any team that want to seriously compete with city and Chelsea will have to spend millions..
You may not spend 200 mill every season now but you don't need to, you have the squad, so one or two players a year will do...
United have times it really badly and dont have the right blend of youth, experience and quality and the only way we will make top four next season is to bring in 3/4 brilliant players...
It's out of order on other teams who don't have the financial backing...
Everton fully deserve to play champions league football.. I hope they come above arsenal as next season may be more difficult..

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jimbo1984 · Man Utd fan

28 mill on Fellaini...
If he had the balls to turn around and say he made a mistake and sold Fellaini then I would maybe feel better about him having a shed load of money for players...
Unfortunately we are at a stage where all we can do is throw money at the problem...
It's possible we will be without giggs, Evra, vidic, Ferdinand...
There's talk of rvp wanting out...
Players like nani and Anderson have to go for their sake as well as the clubs..
Then we have the young English players
Smalling, cleverly, jones, welbeck... All back up players in my eyes...
Ashley young proves week in and week out that he's has no place on the football pitch...

I would say there should be at least 5 players leaving the club in the summer, possibly more...
Meaning at least 5 need to come in... How much is that gonna cost?

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

Another point I'd like to make - United have already spent £37m on Mata and £28m on Fellaini and are supposedly spending £100m+ more, yet chelsea and City ruin football for spending money to get success? United also already have a higher wage total than chelsea.

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