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Is it the end for Manchester United.


All over the place people are saying United are no longer a force.They will struggle to finish in the top 4,and its over for them in terms of PL dominance.Are people getting carried away after the defeat against city.I have heard all this before and they bounced back and won league titles.Is it different now that fergie has gone.What do you think?


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rootzman · Arsenal fan

Doozers I think utd have to buy wisely, a world class playmaker is really critical. Respect to Carrick and Fellaini, but they need someone who is on the next level. Patience from supporters and the board will be critical too, because the expertise and psychological advantage that utd wielded over opponents through sir Alex is gone (or at least until he is asked to come back if moyes is sacked!)

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@rootzman Evans is a fantastic defender, Rafael is a fantastic full back, Jones is a great footballer too, personally rate Smalling as well but United will probably need to buy one more centre back, and definitely need a left back, in the near future. I think Carrick is a very good deep lying playmaker too but I expect United to buy one or two more in the near future, i.e. Herrera, Barkley. I think you'll find that I said the same as you about Moyes and Fergie's situations. United also have some great young players in the squad such as Januzaj, Zaha, Powell (a young play maker you could say) and Lingard.

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rootzman · Arsenal fan

Those are the factors why I believe moyes is under huge pressure to deliver. The legacy of sir Alex looms large, and he'll be just the unlucky person to come in after the greatest football manager of all time

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rootzman · Arsenal fan

Doozers you're missing the point. Yoonited's once renound defence is ageing and the replacements are not of the same level, everyone can see that. What is indisputable is that kagawa apart (and even he's not playing regularly) they are bereft of midfield playmakers. Expectations are far far higher now than when sir Alex took over in the mid-eighties and the team that moyes inherited is far better and more expensively assembled than that inherited by sir Alex so you cannot compare the two situations. Time to take the blinkers off!!

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Dent_Ford yeah I was just basically saying United have players to come in once they retire/are past it. I think they could possibly buy 1 centre back, unless Keane steps up. Definitely need to buy a left back in my opinion at the start of next season.

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Dent_Ford · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Doozers20 Not saying I agree with @rootzman, but in fairness to his point about an aging backline, the guys you listed aren't the guys DM is choosing (with the exception of Raphael) at least in League matches--Rio, Vidic, and Evra have all shown their age at times this season (esp. in the mauling by City)--Maybe DM's selections change (as I would really like to see Evans, Jones, and Smalling get more time) as he hopefully learns that you have to have more than just eleven players that you use consistently/rely on when you're playing as many matches as United usually do

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@rootzman united had basically the same team when they lost 6-1, who's to say Moyes team won't bounce back? Rafael, Evans, Jones, smalling, Fabio, buttner, Keane, ageing? Kagawa European team of the season year before he came.

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rootzman · Arsenal fan

Yes, United lost 6-1 to city under ferguson and suffered several other humbling defeats under his reign. The difference is that those results were highly unusual, and the team always bounced back. Those other teams could also rely on top class replacements to come in and do a job. That's simply not the case right now. United have an ageing back line with no top class midfield playmaker, unlike they're rivals. In addition, although sir Alex made a less than spectacular start to his united reign, expectations were not very high because United had not won the title for over 20 years before he arrived. That is not the case for moyes and he unlikely to be afforded the same length of time to get things right!!! ????

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@paulison Yes but I don't like to say that as fergie walked into a far less successful squad than moyes has

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Hybridism · Man Utd fan

'Are the current (ManU) squad still a force' @Maresh? duh....didn't this team win the Prem last season? 'Teams don't fear united anymore'???? C'mon - a few games in and you are talking like this. Wow, how do you cope when Arsenal never win a trophy......

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paulison · Liverpool fan   In reply

@Doozers20 Not to mention the less than spectacular start that Fergie had to his own managerial career at Man United.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@rootzman you realise united lost 6-1 to city under fergie?

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rootzman · Arsenal fan

Moyse is in the unenviable position of trying to emulate the greatest club manager in modern times. Yoonited's successes were due to much of his man and team management as to the talent of the team. Now that sir Alex is out of the equation, they're just a regular contender for honours rather than the standout favourites. I personally think that moyes will be searching through the classifieds soon, not because he's a bad manager but because the club have dined on such a rich diet of success, that they won't be used to humbling experiences like Sunday and automatic successes in competitions like they were used to.

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maresh · Arsenal fan

End of an era in my opinion..... They was still able to get away with results because of fergie and now he's gone, teams don't fear united anymore. Moyes will need time to build his own team, yes you can't right them off as it's united but we all need to be realistic. Look at the current squad, are they really still a force?

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Hybridism · Man Utd fan

Yeah we were bad, but got beat fair and square. i am just about able to talk about it now. is it over? HELL NO.... we be ManU - so keep up the verbal onslaught. It's where you are at the end of the season that matters - and where was we at the end of last season?? No reason to think we wont be there or thereabouts this time around.

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Lemming249 · Swansea City fan

No ofcourse it's not the end, don't be stupid. Man Utd will always be a force.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Dent_Ford well I just basically meant there's more to it sorry if I offended I don't know you to know whether you are stupid or not. I've started nothing as fact

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Dent_Ford · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Doozers20 Simplistic: Characterized by extreme simplicity; naive--Hmmm... still sounds like being called stupid to me--I agree that these sites are for "debating" opinions, as I said it's more a question of politeness (i.e. that's the first of 5 or 6 posts where you use the phrase "in my opinion" instead of just launching into a long list of why the comment you're commenting on is wrong laid out like they are "facts")

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Dent_Ford I never call the opinions of others wrong, the point of a site like this is to debate opinions you disagree with, at least that's the way I see it, which is what I do. Think you need to look up simplistic, as it's far from stupid. It means there's more to it than merely transfers in my opinion.

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