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Neil Adams - Genius


Tactical masterclass by Norwich City's Neil Adams today, holding Chelsea to a 0-0 draw. Revolutionary tactics, sticking all his players behind the ball, making it difficult for Chelsea to score and keeping a clean sheet. If only he'd planned for one of Chelsea's midfielders to miscontrol a square pass and then slip, I'm sure he'd have picked up arguably the result of the season. Genius.


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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro I wouldn't say United need instant success, just clear progression and an obvious plan.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 depends who the additions are. You need instant success at the moment though.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro With a few additions I really think United will be back, I don't think United need any attacking players (though I'd like Reus), an addition or 2 in midfield, a leader at the back and a left back and United will be back up there in my opinion.

Never really rated Van Gaal myself until I looked more into what he's done, he's seemed to lay the foundations for a number of clubs who went on to have quality sides, he gave debuts to the likes of Muller apparently and turned Schweinsteiger from a winger to centre mid. Theres still others that I'd prefer but I'd be satisfied with him.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 I really don't rate either of their LBs. Liabilities for me. They have more match winners than us, which is why they're above us. If we had more players like Toure/Aguero/Dzeko. For City to sell players, their players would have to go to a rich club as they wouldn't wanna drop wages massively, unlikely for a big selling spree. United have a lot of overrated/ageing players, the winners aren't necessarily of the best quality. Something that is important also is that whoever comes in has to get used to the EPL, I also don't rate LVG as a manager as highly as a lot of people do.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro I think City could get by on the left backs they have now, I'm not sure I agree on the combined 11, but if Chelsea would have more than City, than that tells me Mourinho's not done a great job... City could sell players to generate funds but their squad is pretty complete as I said...

United still have champions in their team, for me they are more set to compete, in terms of a squad, than Liverpool were to come from 7th to compete, and we can all see what happened this season.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 against City we were perfect. Just wish we could replicate that performance more often. City need a new LB, CB and attacking player, I don't rate Navas that much and Nasri is a bit inconsistent, I would rather our attacking trio over theirs. If I look at position by position I'd have more Chelsea players in a combined XI to be honest. We can spend more than them also. I can't see United improving that much in such a short space of time, you'll be a lot closer but Chelsea will do better next season also. Hazard should score 20+, he 100% has the talent to. He has the talent to be top 5 in the world for me.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro I like counter attacking football too, as a United fan over the years it's a good job, I just haven't seen great counter attacking stuff from Chelsea.

I don't see much wrong with the squad of City as it is, only really need a centre back to go next to Kompany, and perhaps a left back but that's not absolutely vital. We'll have to see how Liverpool can do in the market, they are up against it though. I'll be massively disappointed if United just challenge for the top 4, I'm more than happy with Uniteds attacking players, up there with the best in the league, a centre mid or 2, a centre back and a left back will make all the difference.

I think Hazard is the most talented player in the league, could see him getting player of the season next year... Seems to be having a bit of a war of words with Mourinho recently though.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 I'd go with satisfactory. It's not an ideal situation but in my opinion the initiative should be with the home side and Arsenal/United/Atletico hardly went for it against us, only Liverpool did really. I quite like counter attacking football, but it does help having better transitions, for example a deep lying playmaker which we've been lacking all season as well as a top striker. City won't spend big again, not with their current FFP situation. Liverpool won't be able to challenge similarly to this season IMO due to Europe. United will challenge for top 4 but not the title IMO. Arsenal are Arsenal. It's not just bringing in a new LB/CM/ST, it's also the fact that a lot of the players in our team are below their peak ages (Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle, Salah, Matic, Azpi) so theoretically, they should improve even further. Especially Hazard, I expect more from him next season.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro I agree this season is more successful than last season despite no trophies, wouldn't call it a successful one in general, satisfactory is the word I'd use, decent season, nothing to shout about, unless a miracle happens in the next 2 games.

I wouldn't exactly say that Chelsea were massively open until perhaps the last 25 minutes, and like Mourinho said, if Courtois hadn't been as alert as he was, or Terry had placed his header a bit better (think it was Terry), Chelsea could have been 2-1 up. Yes the tactics may have worked considering what they set out to do, however I hate to see top clubs playing for draws, I wouldn't accept it of United, and the few occasions Fergie did it (besides perhaps against Barca at the Nou Camp in 08), I was personally critical.

I certainly don't think Chelsea will 'walk the league' though even if they buy players for the required positions... City will add to an already top class squad, I can't see United staying down for too long either (may be blind optimism, but foundations are still there and I believe a couple of signings in the right areas will do more than just challenge for top 4). Liverpool will add but we'll see if they can carry on this seasons form. God knows what will happen with Spurs. I can see next season being the season Arsenal lose their grip on the top 4 trophy though.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Villa-Rich yes, but I personally think Lukaku would have made a difference as well, can't call him world class as yet but I think he would have been more effective than the 3 they have. Never know what the players are like behind the scenes though.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Villa-Rich Exactly, which is why we've struggled to cut small teams apart. Look at Suarez, he destroys small teams almost single handedly. Hopefully that issue can be sorted out over the summer.

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Villa-Rich · Aston Villa fan   In reply

@Jonevarro The difference is not having a world class striker like an Aguero, Suarez or Drogba. If Chelsea had someone like this season I'm in no doubt you would have won the title.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 It would have been handy yes but 0-0 was a decent result IMO. We've only used these tactics in away games and only against big teams. More often than not they worked. Excluding 1 game I can think of we didn't get a draw/win. Our other tactics/performances have been where we've failed. At home, we played open and got cut to pieces by Atletico. We've also been unable to break sides down. We've also had a couple of abysmal refereeing performances that haven't helped (Sunderland, Villa, Norwich). End of the day we've reached UCL semi finals and ran 1st place close. We may have won the EL last season but I count this season as more of a success. We were only in the EL because we failed miserably in the UCL. We also finished 14 points off 1st. We've had too many managers come and go so they haven't had the time to build their own team, Mourinho can now do that, he has very solid foundations. All we need is a top class ST + CM and we would walk the league. A new LB wouldn't be too bad either as it would mean Azpi could play RB.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro In the end, the difference between Norwich and Chelsea is far bigger than the difference between Chelsea and Atletico Madrid. An away goal would have been really handy against Atletico too.

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Villa-Rich we've done it in away games to the top teams. The philosophy is win all your home games and don't lose your away games. It's worked perfectly in the premier league. We've done amazingly against the big teams, it's against the smaller clubs where we've let ourselves down. If we could kill off small clubs we'd be miles away in 1st.

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Villa-Rich · Aston Villa fan   In reply

@Jonevarro You've also done it in the premiership not just in the UCL

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Doozers20 Norwich had to win the game though... They played for a draw in a game they had to win, we play for draws in games that we don't necessarily have to win. Chelsea had more possession than Madrid v Bayern, as I said, it just looks better for Madrid as they have better players. Counter attacking with Ronaldo/Benzema/Bale/Di Maria looks a lot better.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro Not really, Norwich were playing against a Champions League team being a relegation battling team, the semi's were 2 Champions League teams against each other, it was more called for for Norwich to do it...

Also, didn't see too many counter attacks from Chelsea, Real Madrid were far more open and adventurous.

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AFC_Harry34 · Arsenal fan

I'm guessing this is a joke but still they needed to win and he took off a striker for a winger with 15 minutes left. Norwich are down

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Jonevarro · Chelsea fan

@Villa-Rich using those tactics in a UCL semi final against a world class team is a big different... Loads of big teams have played counter attacking football. Madrid do the same, they just have better players so it looks better.

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