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I know you guys  get bored of my going on about how there's no competition in the Premiership except for the cash rich clubs you all support. But I remember last season you all bleated at me how Southampton are an up and coming club and can challenge. Now look at them there  having there team cherry picked and torn apart by the big clubs. It's impossible to build a team and improve. What is happening to Southampton is proving my point. Will always be the same teams year in year out challenging for trophies until something big changes. No longer a sport. 


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releasethekraken · Liverpool fan

Disappointing really. i was thinking they'd sell maybe one or two and then reinvest the money they got and make themselves even stronger. i suppose some of the fees have been too good to refuse - lallana 25 mil, shaw 30 mil, chambers 16 mil!!!! but still, i'd have probably only sold one of those and told the others to stay put (can understand them letting lambert go for sentimental reasons). many say you can't keep unhappy players but you can - and while rich would love to blame the big clubs for this the people to blame are the southampton owners in truth. liverpool, united, arsenal and co are entitled to bid for whomever they want, but southampton are just as entitled to reject the bids. they don't have to sell anyone. isn't the southampton owner one of the richest in the league anyway? so it's not like they need the money. i just feel sorry for the southampton fans and hope they don't lose any more. if i were them i'd have sold shaw and chambers (massive fees for very young and unproven players, and fullbacks so not really matchwinners) and lambert (for sentimental reasons). so that's still at least 50 mil to spend, and the core of the team is still there. real shame for the premier league i must admit.

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Villa-Rich · Aston Villa fan   In reply

@Doozers20 Well thats easy. American football, or gridiron. They do a system where all the best players get shared out evenly via draft pick.

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Villa-Rich · Aston Villa fan   In reply

@Dent_Ford well said mate glad someone is on the same page.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Dent_Ford I'm not sure where you stand in terms of EU legislation there but it possibly is a slightly fairer way to go about it, like you said not a perfect system though, I don't think you could get one.

It also depends what you set the salary at, for instance if it's £50 mil net then 'smaller' clubs would still struggle. Players would still want to come to the elite clubs also and it may give 'smaller' clubs less power in terms of fees they can demand. Some clubs also run on the money they make from players that come through their academy, Crewe is a decent example, and clubs being capped may find looking for players that are more proven more beneficial. Though it could help them as they probably charge a little less than those with proven players

I do think though that England is quite competitive, with 5,6 or 7 being able to provide a good level of competition and even the bottom level clubs being able to give them a game on their day.

Talking about British players getting a chance, I'd be a big fan of having a 6+5 rule where you have to have at least 5 British players in a starting line up.

Any rule would have to be world wide though in my opinion, or else it would chance English clubs being left behind the rest of the world.

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Dent_Ford · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Doozers20 First, a salary cap would put everybody on the same level as far as money they can spend... As I said it could be done in such a way as to reward those who produce their own players (i.e. a sliding cap where teams are allowed more $ based on how many players have come thru their system, etc)... It could also be skewed to favor those clubs that develop English players (would be a boon to the national squad as well)... As I said, it's not a perfect solution, but it's better than doing nothing and just accepting that only a few "big" teams are ever going to get to compete for trophies unless you can find some enormously wealthy guy to buy your club (see Chelsea, City)

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Dent_Ford I can't see how a salary cap would change much, for me players would still go to the Manchester Uniteds, Liverpools, Arsenals than the Southamptons because of the clubs they are and the chance of winning trophies.

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Dent_Ford · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Doozers20 I think they could start to curb it with some sort of salary cap/luxury tax like the NBA, NFL, MLS, etc. Granted it's not a perfect system/solution, but it would be better than the free for all it is now imho... Also the cap could be skewed in such a way as to favor players produced in-house...

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Dent_Ford@Dent_Ford Well Southampton will have over £100 million to spend, it's up to them to spend it wisely. I do agree with you though, which is why I always say that the Abu Dabi's were the only way the likes of City were going to get anywhere, it's a shame, but it is far worse in other countries. There are 6 teams in England. In Spain there are 2, yes Atletico won the league but other teams are picking off their players now and I doubt they'll be anywhere near next year. Germany there is one team who are picking off even the 2nd best team in Germany year after year, France 1, possibly 2, Scotland 1.

I can't really think of any other sport that's different either.

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Dent_Ford · Man Utd fan

I know I'm going to get heat for this, BUT this s**t is getting ridiculous... Something has got to be done to curb the influence of all the money, or there's absolutely NO INCENTIVE for a "small" club to invest in actually building a squad of players if it's only going to be gutted by the "bigger" clubs once you start to have a bit of success... Everyone complains about how money is ruining the game with Chelsea/City buying teams/trophies, etc., but from comments I've seen here and elsewhere a lot of people think this is ok... You can't have it both ways...

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Villa-Rich Name me another sport, barring perhaps county cricket, that isn't the same?

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Villa-Rich · Aston Villa fan   In reply

@Doozers20 you can predict the top 6 teams there or thereabouts. Give or take 1 team. It is the same teams every season. Other teams haven't got a chance. ie Southampton. I can't be arsed with football anymore it's not a sport.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Villa-Rich No, you said you know what the top 6 would be, was it as you predicted? 6 teams is more competition than any other league. In fact, what other sport in the world can you say you don't know who will be there or there about at the end of a season? Perhaps championship cricket is the only one I can think of. I agree about Southampton, but they now have over £100 million extra to spend, it's up to Koeman now.

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Villa-Rich · Aston Villa fan   In reply

@Doozers20 so none of the usual suspects were in the top 6 it was all a huge surprise wasn't it. Next season will be no different. No competition. No club can build and get up there. Southampton has proved that now.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan

Yes and I'm sure you predicted the top 6 last season like you said you had...

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