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To all the people who said Man Utd can finish 4th.You got it wrong this team is woeful.


A few months back people in this forum said United can get 4th position and its not all doom and gloom.Back then i disagreed with them and said United needed a complete overhaul to finish anywhere near 4th. Now after Liverpool gave United a hammering in their own stadium they have no chance finishing 4th.I have a few thoughts about this United situation. Where has Nani gone to? Hernandez? under fergususon he was electric. why does Kagawa very rarely get a a game.Why play Mata out of position? Whats your thoughts on all this.


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Genius · Man Utd fan

Nani has been injured,

Hernandez obviously can't play football, he can only put the ball in the net when he's not offside, and often the rest of the team are playing well. Wouldn't put it past ANY manager trying to remould the team to accommodate a better player, and as forwards go, Welbeck improves the TEAM performance much more than Hernandez does any day. He just can't finish, and that's the problem we have at United. With our THIRD and FOURTH choice strikers.

But, Van PERSIE has been #### this year, if he had been firing we would have been perhaps 4th-5th and people would not say our problems lie whatsoever in the striking department.

Kagawa rarely gets a game because its the Premier League and there are fitter, stronger/faster both wingers AND central attacking midfielders at United, which is unfortunate. Good player..

and,

Mata as good as he is was a disaster purchase IMO, when you consider what I just said about Kagawa, who is as good if not better than him in many people's eyes!

Fellani..

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Genius · Man Utd fan

Every single player in "this team" is only one year older. Every single player in "this team" barring the ADDITIONS of Mata and a clown, are currently Barclays Premier League Champions.. and every single player in "this team" took their foot off the gas, mainly due to mismanagement THIS year.

I am Paul Scholes' biggest fan, but surely missing only his bit part contribution from last year was not enough to slip from 1st to 7th in 12 months. United have been mismanaged and have lost faith this year, particularly at home. It's not a case of "not being GOOD ENOUGH to finish 4TH!!

20.

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AFC_Harry34 · Arsenal fan

Decent performance yesterday though

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crackentone · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Doozers20 ok i get ya.....settle pettle...lol

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@crackentone I was criticising the amount of crosses.I mentioned the supposed lack of creativity could be down to tactics rather than players Yes mata has just joined but he'll be there next season and I don't think kagawa has been played in a role he's suited to nor consistent game time.

I said 4 maybe more. hernandez is good to have on the bench but it depends what he wants. I'd rather nani than young and valencia on the wing whilst of like to keep evra and sign shaw if possible. my point before was that I would be wary of United buying a while team rather than the sales.

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crackentone · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Doozers20 Manchester United are creating very little up front. You have mentioned 4 creative players. Rooney is a great player no arguements, Kagawa has done nothing for United since joining. Mata maybe creative but has only joined the club. Januzaj has shown great potential for an 18 year old. Has played a couple of good games for United.
Also you can talk all day about the amount of crosses United have had but how many times did the ball go in the net with all them crosses very very few. You have also mentioned 7 players you think should leave United you also pondered at keeping Evra and selling RVP. Thats 9 players not far off the figure Robbie Savage mentioned. A figure you said was way over the top back then you said united needed just 2 or 3 sighnings.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@crackentone For me the inbalance comes from the midfield, you can't say United have no creative players, Kagawa, Mata, Rooney and Januzaj are all creative, forward thinking players. Carrick also showed himself to be a deep lying creative player last season but has been poor this season. They were also the same group of players last season + Fellaini, Mata and Januzaj, and they didn't seem to be that imbalanced. I don't see the sense of urgency that United teams have had in the past, the way they just seemed to overpower teams with sheer numbers and how they bombarded the other teams box seems to be gone.

I'm not going to claim to be an expert at all but I have to look more at the tactics, too often am I seeing the likes of Young and Valencia being picked, then cross, cross, cross, cross, cross and too often have I heard, 'we did well, got to the by line a lot', how often have you seen City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Everton say that? United probably put more crosses in against Fulham than Arsenal have all season!

I agree signings are needed, but in key areas. i.e. a box to box midfielder, left back, centre back and perhaps one more attacking midfielder who is comfortable playing wide, and a right back should Rafael continue to be injury prone. I also don't think Van Persie helps with the balance, and I'd toy with the idea of selling him, get £15-£20 mil for him if they can, though I would be happy to see him stay too. Also leaving would be... Ferdinand, Vidic, Anderson, Young, and perhaps Nani, Hernandez, Valencia and Evra (though I'd keep him for a bit of experience, bringing in another quality left back so that we don't rely on him every game).


If Moyes can't bring some sort of consistency out of United in one and a half seasons, and 3 transfer windows (let's say this christmas), we need to accept that he has been a failure and move on to someone else in my opinion.

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crackentone · Man Utd fan

Doozers20 You are correct in what your saying about the midfield and defence. But there is lack of goals coming from the forwards.The whole structure of this team is unbalanced there is no creativity and that is why i say the whole squad needs overhauled.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@jimbo1984 I'm not making excuses for Moyes, he had a poor transfer window seemingly chasing the wrong targets, it was almost like he thought 'I'm at United now, I can have anyone I want.' This is about the defenders.

You could say Fellaini plays more where Rooney plays than Carrick to be fair but I get what your saying, I really do think with a bit of work Kagawa, Mata and Januzaj can play together behind Rooney. You can't really change formation to support midfielders doing poorly, you always need a midfield, it is the most important part of a football team.

If the midfield is basically letting teams pass through them, and United are being bombarded with attacks, then a mistake will come, though I can't think of too many horrendous mistakes since January. I personally think either Jones, Smalling or Evans would be right at home with a defender like Kompany next to them, and that's what United need to look for, the defence lacks direction in my opinion.

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jimbo1984 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Doozers20 yeah of course the midfield impacts the defence.. But moyes has no excuse, he has spent 60 mill on Fellaini and mata.. We could have spent that money on a player we needed... Fellaini plays where carricks plays, mata plays where Rooney and kagawa play... If the central midfielders aren't doing their job he needs to change the formation to give them support but he hasn't done that...
Doesn't change the fact that our defenders have been terrible... The majority of the goals we concede are down to mistakes by defenders

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@jimbo1984 Do you not think the lack of midfield is impacting the defence though? Having constant attacks at you is bound to break you at some point and the midfield is so easy to bypass at the moment, particularly in big games or even just against decent opposition. I want to see an experienced leader of the defence come in but midfield is priority in my opinion. Think Smalling has been Uniteds best defender recently personally, but him and Jones together lacks leadership altogether and think Jones will turn out the better of the two.

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jimbo1984 · Man Utd fan

Fergie had to give smalling and jones game time as he spent nearly 30 mill on the pair... Moyes can surely see that our defence is laughable at the moment.... Jones partnering up with a world class experienced player is what we need.. He has a lot to learn but never formed a partnership with rio or vidic.. Evans ist capable of being our lead defender.. Smalling isn't good enough to be in the starting Line up.. Our new left back will need Time to adjust Ito the squad ..

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@jamesplutd not giving young players chances Wilkinson lead to them going stale. Januzaj is excellent! Nothing todo with his teammates

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jamesplutd · Man Utd fan

@crackentone He is a really good player, but I think he has been a bit overrated due to the poor performances from all his teammates.

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jamesplutd · Man Utd fan

@Doozers20 Personally I don't think Jones is good enough to be 1st team for at least another 2-3 years. Also if Evra does let his contract run we'll need to buy two LB as I really think Buttner is awful. Vidal would be an amazing signing but I think he just signed a contract extension with Juve.

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jimbo1984 · Man Utd fan

We should be be without rio, vidic, Evra, giggs Anderson next season.. Then I would personally sell buttner, young, nani, Fellaini, kagawa..
We should be looking at least 6 players leaving -- probably more

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jimbo1984 · Man Utd fan

Although I don't massively rate jones Evans or smalling I wouldn't sell any of them.. Evans is experienced now, jones has potential and smalling is ok to have as back up.. Buttner is awful though.. He needs to go.. Rafael I would only sell if we could find a world class replacement.. He shows a lot of heart and it's only his sloppiness that lets him down... We need a boss at centre half to replace vidic.. He hasn't been the same since that big injury lay off.. We have no leader at the back.. And that's a big part of te problem...
I would personally sell Fellaini but that's never gonna happen

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crackentone · Man Utd fan   In reply

@jamesplutd I know Januzaj is only 18, but to loan out one of Utd's best players to another club is just plain stupid.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@Jonevarro yeah I think he'll go to Chelsea.

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Doozers20 · Man Utd fan   In reply

@jamesplutd I want to see Jones as 1st choice with a more experienced defender, no need to go splashing the cash and I think Jones can be a top defender in 2 or 3 years time if he can stop being so injury prone. I would also honestly rather Jones, Smalling and Evans than Vermaelen.

I said I want United to sign Shaw this season. Yeah me too on Gundogan and Kroos but theres no guarantee on Gundogans fitness, I'd love to see Vidal at United though. Exactly, unsure because we haven't seen much of them, Lingard apparently had a fantastic pre season, and Powell also cost a fair bit of money.

Fair enough about Subotic but United offer far bigger money than Dortmund do so he could be tempted.

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